There we were--surrounded by animal heads and piles of papers and books--getting ready to start recording. And I (Jonny) gave Doug the same advice I give all of our first-time guests: "Above all else, Doug, you just have to be yourself! Lots of people pick up the mic and drop their personality. Just be you and it'll be great."
He promised to do his best and Jeff hit record. "Welcome to the 200churches podcast!" I said in my best podcast-projection voice, when all of a sudden Doug interrupts:
"What happened to just be yourself!?"
Honestly, if there is one person in the world I don't have to tell to be himself, it's Doug Grogan. To know Doug is to love him and we are so excited to have him featured today on the podcast.
Our conversation with Doug primarily focused on the struggles that face pastors of small churches. Doug's perspective is amazing because he's been in the trenches as a small church pastor, and in his current role as the District Superintendent works primarily with pastors of 200churches.
One of my favorite things that Doug talked about was putting together a support system. As pastors, we need to have people we can be real with and share our struggle with. We're not meant to be lone rangers, and Doug encourages pastors to find a support system.
Another point that Doug makes repeatedly in the podcast is that pastors must practice patience. Take time, get to know people, learn the lay of the land. In other words, only fools rush in. Doug shares some great stories and examples of how patience can lead to healthier change.
This is a great podcast episode that you should share with every small church pastor you know! The "view from the top" that Doug offers is invaluable to the men and women serving in a 200church, and it is truly encouraging to hear his heart for small churches.
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