On the eve of Saddleback's ouster from the Southern Baptist Convention, Rick Warren marched through a long conversation with me and Jonny. Rick talks about that in this episode. It's obvious he's not happy about it, but as always he remains gracious.
Undaunted by rejection, Rick is focused on his new calling, as the leader of FTT, Finishing The Task. He is pushing ahead to see what we in the Christian and Missionary Alliance call Great Commission Completion! Rick recently finished his pastoral ministry of 43 years at Saddleback. I (Jeff) was at his conference in 1997, when I was 34 and he was 43. At that time Saddleback was 17 years old and 13,000 in attendance. They would more than double in the next 25 years. You can find everything Rick is up to, with all the links, at PastorRick.com! Rick is a teacher, coach, and adviser of pastors - you will get A LOT out of this episode! Enjoy! 
Steve Dewitt is a husband, and father of two daughters, an author, pastor, and Christian leader. This is a conversation about his most recent book, and so much more! You're going to like Steve!
Check out a lot (not everything!) of what Steve is up to below... Steve's Radio/Podcast Ministry: The Journey Bethel Church where Steve is Lead Pastor Steve's First Book: Eyes Wide Open: Enjoying God in everything Steve's Second Book: Enjoying God In Everything - A Guide to Maximizing Life's Pleasures Steve's Gospel Coalition articles 
Jim Cymbala for 50 years had pastored the Brooklyn Tabernacle in Brooklyn - New York City. He joined Jeff to talk about his approach to ministry, his latest book, his experience through COVID, and him opinions on ministry culture, church growth, sermon prep, and so much more!
Jim has produced TheCallingSeries.org for pastors and church leaders - a group of 30 YouTube video lessons on the calling to pastoral ministry. You can access them for FREE - THIRTY 10-12 minute video lessons to encourage and develop your calling to serve. Check out his book, Fan the Flame: Let Jesus Renew Your Calling and Revive Your Church - just released in September 2022. 
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