Jeff and Jonny are LIVE together on this episode, catching up after a long summer, reminiscing over the last 400 episodes, and recalling some of the very memorable guests over the years, with cameo appearances by John Lynch, Kay Warren, Vinny Provenzano, and N.T. Wright.
This was a blast to record, and you will enjoy this CLASSIC episode!
Here are the links to the full episodes we reference in Episode 400:
John Lynch - Episode 61
Kay Warren - Episode 226
Vinny Provenzano - Episode 286
N.T. Wright - Episode 200
Vinny's Website - We Chose Love.com
He is a church communications and branding episode, who is actually the REAL DEAL. He has the heart of an evangelist, and has a craving for churches to reach people for Jesus. Sometimes us pastors can't get out of our own way - my words (Jeff) not his!
But Mark MacDonald helps us say less so our community will listen more. As a corporate communications and marketing guy - who was also a Christian - Mark realized that church leaders did not understand how to, in a ministerially and spiritually appropriate way, market their ministries. He wondered how he could help them get more of what people need (the Gospel) to the actual people who need it (the community).
Mark's organization is called, BE KNOWN FOR SOMETHING.
Mark did not seek me out, I found him online, and realizing he was the real deal, asked him to join me on the podcast.
You are going to LOVE this!
You can check out Mark's book, Be Known For Something, right HERE!
Dave Jacobs and I talk about some things that pastors might want to reconsider. They come from his book, Second Thoughts - 100 things small church pastors need to reconsider.
Dave recommends we:
The church was waist deep into a Capital Campaign for a major church renovation, and mere weeks from engaging all the construction work... and then the pandemic hit. Ugh.
They had over a million dollars already contributed with millions more pledged. The vision had been cast, all the hard work of strategic planning finished - they had waded into the pool.
What to do? "God!!?? What do we do?!"
Here's what the lead pastor did of this multisite church...
(Suzanne was also on Episode 242, if you want to hear some real back story exactly five years ago to the week, check it out - it's a good one!)
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