Episode 207 – The Pastor Who Would Be A Healthy Leader – You Know You Want To Listen!

Justin Irving

Andrew Gross

Justin Irving is the Director of the Doctor of Ministry program and a Professor at Bethel Seminary in St. Paul MN.

Andrew Gross is the Discipleship Pastor at Bethel Christian Fellowship Church in St. Paul MN and has co-authored a book with Justin exploring the intersection of leadership resiliency and differentiation of self.

This is a great episode where discuss with these guys the importance of a pastor's self differentiation in his ministry leadership. How do we lead our church family with a non-anxious presence that calms and guides, reassures and inspires? How do we stay connected with people who are in crisis without allowing their crisis to sidetrack us personally?

This episode comes on the heels of episode 199 with Jeannine Brown and episode 201 with Ray Hollenbach. Check them out if you haven't already as we discuss the concept of differentiation of self. This will be very helpful to you in understanding your own leadership strengths and weaknesses.

We also talk about opportunities at Bethel Seminary for advanced ministry degrees, and how Bethel offers them to pastors who want to stay in their ministries while still going "back to school". You will enjoy this!

Links to assessments mentioned in this episode:

Myers and Briggs Assessment
DISC Assessment
StrengthFinders Assessment
Enneagram Assessment

Justin Irving also has some great Logos Mobile Ed courses available on Pastoral Leadership. These courses are serious and significant! He outlines them in his blog post here!

Also, click on the images below to buy the books we mentioned written by Peter L. Steinke and Edwin Friedman. (These are not affiliate links. We receive nothing if you buy them... except the satisfaction of your personal growth!) :-)