Episode 296 - Big Change Small Groups & Small Churches with Heather Zempel

Heather Zempel is the Discipleship Pastor at National Community Church in Washington, D.C. Heather joins Jeff to talk about small groups and small churches and how small church leaders might think about small groups in their churches.

Heather gets very practical, while Jeff gets very curious about Heather and her husband Ryan, their move into ministry, the church they serve at, and even what Heather has been learning about small group ministry.

Heather's newest book, published by Orange, is titled Big Change Small Groups Four Ideas To Help You Lead Adult Small Groups, is written specifically for regular, normal, small group leaders. This book is not just for pastors or church leaders, but for your small group leaders.

When you finish listening to Heather here, check out her episode with Rich Birch on the UnSeminary Podcast! It's a good one. (Yes, we will even promote other podcasts! ...but only good ones)