Jeff and Jonny forage around the episode digging up all kinds of ministry thoughts and ideas - this was a fun episode! They kicked off the conversation by exploring Jonny's recent thesis that ministry is not programs and curriculum, but ministry is communication and relationships.

From that topic they launch off into all kinds of leadership and ministry topics and ideas. 

Very importantly they reference this episode of The UnSeminary Podcast where Rich Birch talks with Greg Curtis. Check out BOTH links - trust us, you need them and you'll thank us later!

While we are recommending episodes, check out this episode with Carey Nieuwhof and John Ortberg! Solid gold Baby! Again, you'll thank us later!

But first, enjoy this simple classic Jeff & Jonny episode! :-)

Dave Jacobs from www.smallchurchpastor.com joins us to talk about the importance and process of leading change in your church. Dave was live in our Des Moines studio with Jeff and Jonny and this is a lively and encouraging conversation!

Change is something that every pastor must manage, lead, and negotiate in local church ministry. Dave shares some important principles to keep in mind as we lead the change process.

Remarkably, Karl Vaters, from www.newsmallchurch.com actually gets thrown under the bus several times. Our apologies to Karl! Kind of.

You can receive Dave's services as a pastor coach or church consultant by contacting him at dave@smallchurchpastor.com

If you've listened to Bonus Episode 01, and you would like IN on the health journey, click the button above or below and give Jeff your information. He will be in contact with you. He will give you a free Health Assessment to see if this is right for you.

Jeff only wants  you to click the button if you're ready to get healthy, and if you're serious. If you're ready to get healthy, he can show you how. he can lead you to the water... But he doesn't want to waste your time or his if you're not ready to act. So click below only if you're ready to act.

He's only doing this for pastors. He will personally coach you through this process. YOU can lose weight, gain energy, and finally get in a place physically you've been dreaming of for years. If he did it, and he did, he knows that you can too.

Act now, and get in on this program the first week of March, and you could potentially be the healthiest you for the summer of '19 than you have been in a long, long time! 

As pastors, we've all heard the oxygen mask illustration about caring for ourselves first... until we're blue in the face! Well... yes. It's time Pastor. If Jeff could do it, ANYONE can. You can too. Click the button below. But only if you're serious, and only if you're ready to take action.

Pastor, do you know what is in the heart and mind of a 20-something pastor today? How do youth pastors process their ministry? What is it like to be a dual income family, plus be a bi-vocational pastor as well?

How do you raise up leaders in your church? How might the leaders in your church be termed, "disciplemakers"? What relationship would you want to have with a part time staff member? How would you want to be viewed by a younger staff pastor? Is your church of 100 big enough to afford a second pastor? What would have to be true to make that happen?

What do Millennial pastors think is right about today's church, and what are they afraid of? Are your paid and volunteer leaders as passionate about ministry as Derek Ambroson is, as you will see on episode 314? Who do you need to share this episode with? 

Jeff talks about all of these topics right here on episode 314 with Derek Ambroson, youth pastor at Roseville Baptist Church in the Twin Cities area of Minnesota! This young pastor is making great Kingdom impact! 

Kudos to Lead Pastor Jackie Hill for developing him as a leader and pastor.

Dan Reiland, Exec. Pastor of www.12stone.org joins the guys after a two year hiatus to talk about leadership and negative people. He shares 5 helpful approaches when working with a negative person. 

Dan talks with Jeff & Jonny about something he recently wrote about on his website, 5 Positive Insights To Help You Lead Negative People.

Jonny says, "This topic isn't sexy, but it's real world - right where we all live!" These are the kinds of helpful, practical episodes that the guys love to share with all of their pastor friends around the world. This episode is marked with humor and fun throughout. Especially the extra long outtakes at the end of the episode. Don't miss them!

Find Dan at https://www.danreiland.com and on Twitter @danreiland.

Joe Petrone from www.orchardalliance.com, shares his journey of coming to faith, then experiencing huge disappointment in two of his first three churches he attended. Successful, driven, and prosperous, Joe was broken on the inside. This is a moving story!

Joe works with pastors and churches now helping them to raise necessary Kingdom funds needed for completing the Great Commission! Joe and Jeff had a conversation on the phone related to denominational support, and Jeff realized that Joe's story would encourage and inspire pastors as they preach, lead, visit, and share the Gospel. If Joe came to faith, any lost person in your town is fair game!

A great story of faith and victory in Christ! Enjoy!

John Finkelde from www.growahealthychurch.com joins Jeff to talk to pastors about what he sees as the challenges that face them today. From changing culture to changing tech to burnout, he offers real life solutions. This is an incredible episode!

John Finkelde coaches pastors and consults with churches on a full time basis. He is deeply connected in the personal and professional lives of pastors, and understands their pain points and the things that challenge them in ministry.

Jeff asked him to share some of the solutions he coaches his pastors towards in the following areas:

• Personal discouragement and burnout
• Competing with our people listening to the best preaching online
• The decline of cultural and societal values
• Sexual orientation, same sex marriage, and other related cultural realities
• and more...

If you would like to contact John, you can reach him at john@growahealthychurch.com.

Check out his website here!

Jeff unpacks the phrase - "The church grew beyond the pastor's ability to lead it." Why does this happen? Especially when the church only grows to 250 people?! 

At the beginning of 2019, Jeff dives into what it takes to stay a step ahead of your church, to continue to grow as a leader. As goes the pastor, so goes the church. Pastor, what is your plan to grow personally in 2019? If we have no plan to grow, why would we think that our church or church family will grow?

​Enjoy the episode!

Dave Jacobs is definitely the OG Friend of the Show! He has been recording with Jeff and Jonny since 2013, when they were all in High School! Well, maybe not in High School... but a lot younger!

Dave is the founder of SmallChurchPastor.com, blogs at DaveJacobs.net, and is the Benevolent Dictator of the Small Church Pastor Group on Facebook. If you are a lead or senior pastor, and are not in that group, you should request membership in it! 

Dave joined Jeff and Jonny LIVE in the studio in Des Moines, IA and the three of them talked all about the importance of vision. Vision is like the gas in your churches tank. Don't run out of gas! Dave shares 5 ways to keep vision alive in your 200church, and the guys chime in regularly.

CHECK OUT ALL OF DAVE'S BOOKS RIGHT HERE!

This is a very fun, encouraging episode! Enjoy!

Tyler Ramsbey is the pastor at Renovation Church in Garretson, South Dakota. Tyler is committed to his church plant ministry, to his family, to learning and growing, and to involvement in his community. If it sounds like Tyler is a busy guy, you'd be fooled. He has some amazing secrets to share about how he maintains strong family health.

Tyler has been a 200churches listener for years, and has reached out to encourage Jeff and Jonny several times. We are thrilled to have Tyler as our guest on Episode 308. Tyler is a classic Millennial who will both encourage and inspire you.

Enjoy!