We talk a lot on the podcast about love, but what does love really look like? And are we really supposed to love everyone?

Today Jonny is joined by his wife (and recurring guest) Kayla as shes talks about her work with Preemptive Love and what it means to love anyway. Kayla has been hard at work producing the new Preemptive Love podcast--aptly named "Love Anyway"--and shares stories from the upcoming season. This episode will challenge you to think about people in your own community who God is calling you to love, and hopefully encourage you with the knowledge that God is already out in front of you loving them.

Pastor, isn't it true that while we are helping others, our own souls are crying out within us, "HELP ME!! I'M THE ONE WHO NEEDS HELP! WHO'S GOING TO HELP ME?!"

In Episode 320 Jeff shares some of his own personal learnings from the past six months, and challenges our listeners to live their lives and not allow themselves to get sucked dry by ministry. He also encourages pastors to take next steps if they find themselves drowning in lies, secrets, discouragement, depression, porn, an affair, gambling, drinking, or overeating.

There is help for the hurting pastor, and Jeff encourages them to take the next step to find it.

Life is too short to live a lie. Especially in ministry.

Henty is an Executive Assistant to Pastor Rick Warren at Saddleback Church and he shares a peek into his world, and through him, into the world of Saddleback's ministry, and Rick's ministry as well. Henty is a sharp young man!

Henty talks about the challenges in the 21st century church, as well as Pastor Rick Warren's heart and burden for pastors of smaller churches.

Jeff and Jonny are both present in this conversation with Henty. Henty is from South Africa and moved to the U.S. as a young teenager.

You'll enjoy him, and this entire episode!

This is a very rare "BEST OF" episode with N.T. Wright. If you haven't heard it, it is far and away our most downloaded of all 317 episodes! Dr. Wright was in his living room in Scotland and Jeff and Jonny were in the 200churches Podcast studio for this conversation.

It was so incredibly encouraging to hear Tom Wright's take on Paul's opinion of small church pastors, and his own journey shepherding vicars as the Bishop of Durham in England with the Anglican Church. This is a remarkable episode.

Check out the link below to get access to many online courses taught by Dr. Wright himself. You can use them for small groups or discipleship classes...ntwrightonline.org/

Todd and Jennifer Grant lead Watts Powerhouse Church in Los Angeles and have a remarkable urban ministry and Todd shares so much of it with Jeff in this conversation. Take a look at the two videos below if you want to get a real taste of their ministry. It's amazing!

Again, Todd Grant from the Watts Powerhouse Church in South Los Angeles joins Jeff to talk about the work of God in his urban ministry. Gangs, broken lives, broken families, etc. God is working! This is a very encouraging episode!

Jeff and Jonny forage around the episode digging up all kinds of ministry thoughts and ideas - this was a fun episode! They kicked off the conversation by exploring Jonny's recent thesis that ministry is not programs and curriculum, but ministry is communication and relationships.

From that topic they launch off into all kinds of leadership and ministry topics and ideas. 

Very importantly they reference this episode of The UnSeminary Podcast where Rich Birch talks with Greg Curtis. Check out BOTH links - trust us, you need them and you'll thank us later!

While we are recommending episodes, check out this episode with Carey Nieuwhof and John Ortberg! Solid gold Baby! Again, you'll thank us later!

But first, enjoy this simple classic Jeff & Jonny episode! :-)

Dave Jacobs from www.smallchurchpastor.com joins us to talk about the importance and process of leading change in your church. Dave was live in our Des Moines studio with Jeff and Jonny and this is a lively and encouraging conversation!

Change is something that every pastor must manage, lead, and negotiate in local church ministry. Dave shares some important principles to keep in mind as we lead the change process.

Remarkably, Karl Vaters, from www.newsmallchurch.com actually gets thrown under the bus several times. Our apologies to Karl! Kind of.

You can receive Dave's services as a pastor coach or church consultant by contacting him at dave@smallchurchpastor.com

If you've listened to Bonus Episode 01, and you would like IN on the health journey, click the button above or below and give Jeff your information. He will be in contact with you. He will give you a free Health Assessment to see if this is right for you.

Jeff only wants  you to click the button if you're ready to get healthy, and if you're serious. If you're ready to get healthy, he can show you how. he can lead you to the water... But he doesn't want to waste your time or his if you're not ready to act. So click below only if you're ready to act.

He's only doing this for pastors. He will personally coach you through this process. YOU can lose weight, gain energy, and finally get in a place physically you've been dreaming of for years. If he did it, and he did, he knows that you can too.

Act now, and get in on this program the first week of March, and you could potentially be the healthiest you for the summer of '19 than you have been in a long, long time! 

As pastors, we've all heard the oxygen mask illustration about caring for ourselves first... until we're blue in the face! Well... yes. It's time Pastor. If Jeff could do it, ANYONE can. You can too. Click the button below. But only if you're serious, and only if you're ready to take action.

Pastor, do you know what is in the heart and mind of a 20-something pastor today? How do youth pastors process their ministry? What is it like to be a dual income family, plus be a bi-vocational pastor as well?

How do you raise up leaders in your church? How might the leaders in your church be termed, "disciplemakers"? What relationship would you want to have with a part time staff member? How would you want to be viewed by a younger staff pastor? Is your church of 100 big enough to afford a second pastor? What would have to be true to make that happen?

What do Millennial pastors think is right about today's church, and what are they afraid of? Are your paid and volunteer leaders as passionate about ministry as Derek Ambroson is, as you will see on episode 314? Who do you need to share this episode with? 

Jeff talks about all of these topics right here on episode 314 with Derek Ambroson, youth pastor at Roseville Baptist Church in the Twin Cities area of Minnesota! This young pastor is making great Kingdom impact! 

Kudos to Lead Pastor Jackie Hill for developing him as a leader and pastor.

Dan Reiland, Exec. Pastor of www.12stone.org joins the guys after a two year hiatus to talk about leadership and negative people. He shares 5 helpful approaches when working with a negative person. 

Dan talks with Jeff & Jonny about something he recently wrote about on his website, 5 Positive Insights To Help You Lead Negative People.

Jonny says, "This topic isn't sexy, but it's real world - right where we all live!" These are the kinds of helpful, practical episodes that the guys love to share with all of their pastor friends around the world. This episode is marked with humor and fun throughout. Especially the extra long outtakes at the end of the episode. Don't miss them!

Find Dan at https://www.danreiland.com and on Twitter @danreiland.